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Big Brown
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Ed Noonan Killed AIP-CA
Let know one forget it was Ed Noonan, who killed the California AIP. Keyes not even trying to get on the ballot in other States. Its revenge against Howard Phillips.
The Democratic Sec of State has change registration form in California to do you want to registrator to a Political Party Yes or No Then mark no it goes as an Independent. See: http://www.ballot-access.org
Once a Conservative Party loses it ballot position in California I don't think you will every see another Conservative Third Party on the California ballot. Ed Noonan sent an E-Mail saying the California AIP was dead, he should know he killed it.
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RE: Ed Noonan Killed AIP-CA
I always get a little nervous when they ask me which party I want to join or would likely to vote for.
The Oligarchs go out of their way to hassle 3rd and 4th party affiliations. With all kinds of jump through this hoop and that hoop kind of laws.
Screw them this is a Republic and the voter should be able to cast a vote for any candidate they want.
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| Fri Jul 25, 2008 04:17 PM |
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RE: Ed Noonan Killed AIP-CA
Political Party discrimination should be an arrestable offense. Just like it is illegal to discriminate against any race or color. Engage in a pogrom against a political party and get arrested.
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| Fri Jul 25, 2008 04:20 PM |
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RE: Ed Noonan Killed AIP-CA
Big Brown and all:
Far from being dead, the AIP is alive and well. Yes, the leadership of Noonan has been poor, and his attempt to hijack the party downright wicked.
Yet, once we emerge victorious in our lawsuit on Aug. 26th,(which we have full legal argument behind and if I was a betting man I wouldnt bet against), we emerge as a state party with over 300,000 registered voters, largest amongst any CP state party. We will have new leadership, and some new excited and motivated folks as well.
The new registration forms from the California Secretary of State are only a minor change, and will not destroy the AIP.
As Mark Twain is quoted as to say "news of my demise is greatly exaggerated!". Same can be said about the California AIP.
On its last legs in any event is the political future of Alan Keyes. This you can count on.
Bill Lussenheide- Candidate US Congress CA-49 2010
http://www.FaithFamilyFreedoms.blogspot.com
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| Sun Aug 17, 2008 09:03 PM |
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RE: Ed Noonan Killed AIP-CA
After the A.I.P. wins the court case the name NEEDS TO BE CHANGED!
The Constitution Party of California has a nice ring to it.
Can that be done?
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| Mon Aug 18, 2008 07:45 PM |
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RE: Ed Noonan Killed AIP-CA
After the A.I.P. wins the court case the name NEEDS TO BE CHANGED!
The Constitution Party of California has a nice ring to it.
Can that be done?
No. A new party can be started with the name "Constitution Party" but it requires an enormous number of voters to register as members (like 88,991) or to turn in 158,373 signatures tp qualify a party for a place on the ballot (which means collecting at least 190,000 total signatures to be certain of having enough VALID ones). Once a successful petition is submitted a statewide candidate must poll at least 1% of the vote (I might have this part wrong) to KEEP the ballot line or you just have to do it all over again in two years. It is possible but very tough which is why the CP has always had the AIP as the state affiliate.
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RE: Ed Noonan Killed AIP-CA
After the A.I.P. wins the court case the name NEEDS TO BE CHANGED!
The Constitution Party of California has a nice ring to it.
Can that be done?
No. A new party can be started with the name "Constitution Party" but it requires an enormous number of voters to register as members (like 88,991) or to turn in 158,373 signatures tp qualify a party for a place on the ballot (which means collecting at least 190,000 total signatures to be certain of having enough VALID ones). Once a successful petition is submitted a statewide candidate must poll at least 1% of the vote (I might have this part wrong) to KEEP the ballot line or you just have to do it all over again in two years. It is possible but very tough which is why the CP has always had the AIP as the state affiliate.
OK, I understand the time that would take, but, if the A.I.P. has lets say 300,000 registered voters, could they (the party members)decided to re-register as the Constitution party of California? Can those in the A.I.P. just switch their registration and then they would have the required number of voters for ballot access?
This post was last modified: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:28 AM by Evad.
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RE: Ed Noonan Killed AIP-CA
After the A.I.P. wins the court case the name NEEDS TO BE CHANGED!
The Constitution Party of California has a nice ring to it.
Can that be done?
No. A new party can be started with the name "Constitution Party" but it requires an enormous number of voters to register as members (like 88,991) or to turn in 158,373 signatures tp qualify a party for a place on the ballot (which means collecting at least 190,000 total signatures to be certain of having enough VALID ones). Once a successful petition is submitted a statewide candidate must poll at least 1% of the vote (I might have this part wrong) to KEEP the ballot line or you just have to do it all over again in two years. It is possible but very tough which is why the CP has always had the AIP as the state affiliate.
OK, I understand the time that would take, but, if the A.I.P. has lets say 300,000 registered voters, could they (the party members)decided to re-register as the Constitution party of California? Can those in the A.I.P. just switch their registration and then they would have the required number of voters for ballot access?
You ask an interesting question. I suppose it would be possible for the AIP to send out a mailing to its' membership asking them to re-register into the Constitution Party and if 88,991 did then the new Constitution Party would become ballot qualified but not until 2010. The problem I see with that is there would still probably be enough people who would not do it to keep the AIP a ballot qualified party as well. That would mean another vehicle for opportunists like Alan Keyes to use for their own purposes. A similar situation exists in MI where the party still has the old name of Taxpayers Party since they continue to poll enough votes to maintain ballot status. To change the name of the party may not be possible but what do you do with the shell of the AIP or Taxpayers Party once a Constitution Party affiliate is founded? Those shells can be hijacked. Perhaps the Field Director can comment on the perspective from HQ.
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| Tue Aug 19, 2008 04:58 PM |
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RE: Ed Noonan Killed AIP-CA
After the A.I.P. wins the court case the name NEEDS TO BE CHANGED!
The Constitution Party of California has a nice ring to it.
Can that be done?
No. A new party can be started with the name "Constitution Party" but it requires an enormous number of voters to register as members (like 88,991) or to turn in 158,373 signatures tp qualify a party for a place on the ballot (which means collecting at least 190,000 total signatures to be certain of having enough VALID ones). Once a successful petition is submitted a statewide candidate must poll at least 1% of the vote (I might have this part wrong) to KEEP the ballot line or you just have to do it all over again in two years. It is possible but very tough which is why the CP has always had the AIP as the state affiliate.
OK, I understand the time that would take, but, if the A.I.P. has lets say 300,000 registered voters, could they (the party members)decided to re-register as the Constitution party of California? Can those in the A.I.P. just switch their registration and then they would have the required number of voters for ballot access?
You ask an interesting question. I suppose it would be possible for the AIP to send out a mailing to its' membership asking them to re-register into the Constitution Party and if 88,991 did then the new Constitution Party would become ballot qualified but not until 2010. The problem I see with that is there would still probably be enough people who would not do it to keep the AIP a ballot qualified party as well. That would mean another vehicle for opportunists like Alan Keyes to use for their own purposes. A similar situation exists in MI where the party still has the old name of Taxpayers Party since they continue to poll enough votes to maintain ballot status. To change the name of the party may not be possible but what do you do with the shell of the AIP or Taxpayers Party once a Constitution Party affiliate is founded? Those shells can be hijacked. Perhaps the Field Director can comment on the perspective from HQ.
Thanks New Federalist, your insite helps with the questions I have buzzing around my head. The main reason I asked this question is, I would like to change my registration and DO NOT WANT TO REGISTER AS AN INDIPENDENT!!! A.I.P. or otherwise.
I want to register with the Constitution Party and can not in the state of California. So if the A.I.P. were to do the things that we have been talking about I believe more people will make that switch as well, and it wont matter how much of a shell is left of the A.I.P. I will vote Chuck if he is on the ballot....
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