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greywolf
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RE: Withdrawing Support
The income tax does not pay for infrastructure. It is used primarily to pay the interest off on the national debt. Most infrastructure support comes from other taxes (gas tax, sales taxes, etc.) Work down the national debt, quit giving money away to those who do not appreciate and eventually you remove the need for the income tax.
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| Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:58 PM |
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constitutionwarrior
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Well if from the article the guy wrote I doesn't look like he researched Chuck Baldwin very much before he come here.
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| Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:33 AM |
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I'm still supporting Baldwin, but if the income tax is repealed and there is no national sales tax, where will money come from to support the national infrastructure? Please educate me.
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| Sat Jun 07, 2008 02:41 PM |
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Raymond
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RE: Withdrawing Support
From the Constitution Party platform
Taxes
The Constitution, in Article I, Section 8, gives Congress the power "to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States."
In Article I, Section 9, the original document made clear that "no Capitation, or other direct Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census of Enumeration herein before directed to be taken." It is moreover established that "No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.
Since 1913, our Constitutional rights to life, liberty, and property have been abridged and diminished by the imposition on each of us of Federal income, payroll, and estate taxes. This is an unconstitutional Federal assumption of direct taxing authority.
The Internal Revenue Service is the enforcement arm of the Federal government's present unjust tax system. Citizens, both in groups and as individuals, have repeatedly sought responses from the IRS bureaucracy as to the basis for the agency's tax policies and procedures. No answers have been forthcoming although a responsible government must be answerable to the people and has a duty to those it is supposed to serve.
We propose legislation to abolish the Internal Revenue Service, and will veto any authorization, appropriation, or continuing resolution which contains any funding whatsoever for that illicit and unconstitutional agency. We are opposed to the flat-rate tax, national sales tax, and value added tax proposals that are being promoted as an improvement to the current tax system. The Sixteenth Amendment does not provide authority for an un-apportioned direct tax.
Moreover, it is our intention to replace, with a tariff based revenue system supplemented by excise taxes, the current tax system of the U.S. government (including income taxes, payroll taxes, and estate taxes.)
To the degree that tariffs on foreign products, and excises, are insufficient to cover the legitimate Constitutional costs of the federal government, we will offer an apportioned "state-rate tax" in which the responsibility for covering the cost of unmet obligations will be divided among the several states in accordance with their proportion of the total population of these United States, excluding the District of Columbia. Thus, if a state contains 10 percent of the nation's citizens, it will be responsible for assuming payment of 10 percent of the annual deficit.
The effect of this "state-rate tax" will be to encourage politicians to argue for less, rather than more, federal spending, and less state spending as well.
To the extent permitted by the Constitution, we believe that the taxation of corporations is an appropriate source of government revenue. The Supreme Court has defined "income" as a "gain or increase arising from corporate activity or privilege." People are not corporations, and corporations need not be treated as "people" for the purposes of taxation.
There is substantial evidence that the 16th Amendment was never legally ratified. When elected, we will act to cease collection of direct Federal personal income taxes. We also support ratification of the Liberty Amendment which would repeal the Sixteenth Amendment, and provide that "Congress shall not levy taxes on personal incomes, estates, and/or gifts."
We support the use of motor fuel excise taxes, at rates not in excess of those currently imposed, to be used exclusively for the erection, maintenance, and administration of Federal highways. These taxes should never be used for "demonstration projects", mass transit, or for other non-highway purposes.
We support the use of excise taxes to curb the use of tax dollars for media advertising, and to provide so-called "tax abatements," "tax incentives," and "economic development grants," which are pretexts to raid the public treasury and rob the workingman for the benefit of wealthy interests favored by the politicians.
Ray
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| Sat Jun 07, 2008 03:01 PM |
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ThinkRevolution
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RE: Withdrawing Support
The income tax does not pay for infrastructure. It is used primarily to pay the interest off on the national debt. Most infrastructure support comes from other taxes (gas tax, sales taxes, etc.) Work down the national debt, quit giving money away to those who do not appreciate and eventually you remove the need for the income tax.
Exactly. And it would help if we weren't spending $1 TRILLION a year on our ridiculous foreign policy of military interventionism.
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| Sat Jun 07, 2008 03:59 PM |
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I'm still supporting Baldwin, but if the income tax is repealed and there is no national sales tax, where will money come from to support the national infrastructure? Please educate me.
Corporation taxes and a fair-tax system.
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| Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:30 PM |
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Volitzer
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You get taxed on what you buy not what you earn.
The FED and STATE income taxes withheld go right to the corrupt Federal Reserve and don't pay for anything infrastructure.
It's an extortion racket hence the illegality of it all.
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| Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:32 PM |
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Volitzer
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In fact the rise in legal tax evasion has ridden dramatically and the IRS can do little about it.
The cat is out of the bag !!!
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| Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:34 PM |
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Surely you understand the money received from income taxes is roughly the same as the amount paid on the interest on the national debt. Little or none of it actually goes to "infrastructure." The IRS is a collection service for the Federal Reserve System.
Of course, the corrupt, bloated and intrusive federal government and military adventures all over the world would have to be curtailed.
The object is not to find another way to pay for unconstitutional federal programs but to eliminate them and over time reduce the size and scope of government.
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| Sun Jun 15, 2008 03:36 PM |
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I'm still supporting Baldwin, but if the income tax is repealed and there is no national sales tax, where will money come from to support the national infrastructure? Please educate me.
You cannot repeal income tax,yet have socialist systems in place. We ahve t ostart scalling back programs/agencies unitl they are gone, some faster than others. Within a year or so, national education apparatus can be eliminated. The $54 billion returned to the states.
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